kuhelica2000
02-13 10:06 AM
I couldn't agree more with you. The limited number of GC is definitely a critical factor. But we have contributed to this mess ourselves. Look what happened with EB2 India. Did India started producing EB2 talents overnight? No; rather we started polishing our resumes with inflated years of experience and job description so that we can apply to EB2. The system is too liberal and based on trust. If employers start scrutinizing resumes and certificates a lot of applicants will simply drop off from the GC queue.
Before the Y2K problem, the most common route for Indians to migrate to the US (EB category) was this -->
TOEFL
GRE
Admission into US university (most likely for masters)
Scholarship or loan
MS/Phd in US
Internship using OPT
Job/ H1
Since this involved multiple non trivial steps; the barrier for entry was pretty high that prevented mass migration.
There were procedural delays (in some states with a lot of Indian population ( oh yeah; labor certs used to take 3-5 years esp in California, Texas & Northeast; but you could get labor cert faster in south dakota or such less densely populated places; but once you hit the 485 stage, you were certain of a GC within a few months )
And then along with Y2K came TCS, Wipro, Infosys, & infinite other bodyshops that suddenly changed the equation. No need for TOEFL, GRE. No need to fight for scholarship; no need for TA. no need for RA; no need for MS; in a lot of cases, no need for even UG degree in computers/engg. The requirements ranged from having all 10 fingers in place to knowing the right people in the bodyshop company to land an assignment in the US. Once placed at a client site, it was just a matter of finding the right opportunity to get the client to sponsor your H1. I am sure there were a lot other ways the H1 & L1 visas were abused.
So the situation changed from just procedural delays to procedural delays + extra influx of Indians due to H1/L1 visa misuse.
Ofcourse, we can only blame the inefficiencies of the USCIS/INS/DOL system & silently turn the other way when malpractices & visa abuse were rampant (I guess still is) in the IT bodyshop industry.
I am sure this rant will seem extremely prejudicial. But just for a slight moment; think about why all this happened.
Before the Y2K problem, the most common route for Indians to migrate to the US (EB category) was this -->
TOEFL
GRE
Admission into US university (most likely for masters)
Scholarship or loan
MS/Phd in US
Internship using OPT
Job/ H1
Since this involved multiple non trivial steps; the barrier for entry was pretty high that prevented mass migration.
There were procedural delays (in some states with a lot of Indian population ( oh yeah; labor certs used to take 3-5 years esp in California, Texas & Northeast; but you could get labor cert faster in south dakota or such less densely populated places; but once you hit the 485 stage, you were certain of a GC within a few months )
And then along with Y2K came TCS, Wipro, Infosys, & infinite other bodyshops that suddenly changed the equation. No need for TOEFL, GRE. No need to fight for scholarship; no need for TA. no need for RA; no need for MS; in a lot of cases, no need for even UG degree in computers/engg. The requirements ranged from having all 10 fingers in place to knowing the right people in the bodyshop company to land an assignment in the US. Once placed at a client site, it was just a matter of finding the right opportunity to get the client to sponsor your H1. I am sure there were a lot other ways the H1 & L1 visas were abused.
So the situation changed from just procedural delays to procedural delays + extra influx of Indians due to H1/L1 visa misuse.
Ofcourse, we can only blame the inefficiencies of the USCIS/INS/DOL system & silently turn the other way when malpractices & visa abuse were rampant (I guess still is) in the IT bodyshop industry.
I am sure this rant will seem extremely prejudicial. But just for a slight moment; think about why all this happened.
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Jerrome
09-25 02:53 PM
I don't think in any year EB2ROW has got 40K GC in the past, even when the economy was in good shape.
Does anyone has links for the annual GC issuance per country/per category for 2008. I missed the link.
The worst case scenario would be 20,000 max. That means EB2(I) will move to Mid or3 rd quarter of 2006 by end of 2010.
using following report
NAFSA | Resource Library | Selected PERM Program Statistics - Jan 2009 (http://www.nafsa.org/regulatory_information.sec/regulatory_document_library.dlib/employment-based_immigration/selected_perm_program)
http://www.nafsa.org/uploadedFiles/selected_perm_program.pdf?n=2558
Using the report from 12/31/2008 (did not find a newer report)
PERM received: 20,752 (18,863 electronic; 1,889 mail-in)
PERM completed: 4,571 (3,074 certified; 1,328 denied; 169 withdrawn)
PERM pending : 53200
For next 3 quarters we assume they receive 10K applications and approve 5k each quarter we get PERM pending (53200 + 3 * 10k - 3 * 5k) = 68K pending PERM.
For this 68K, i am expecting 30% from India and 10% from China and 20% from EB3-ROW. We get 27K EB2 ROW PERM pending.
If 70% of them are approved and apply for I-485 with 1.2 dependent we get approx 40K I-485 applications in EB2-ROW.
So in case all PERM backlog is removed we will get 40K more EB2-ROW applications. Worst case scenario.
Does anyone has links for the annual GC issuance per country/per category for 2008. I missed the link.
The worst case scenario would be 20,000 max. That means EB2(I) will move to Mid or3 rd quarter of 2006 by end of 2010.
using following report
NAFSA | Resource Library | Selected PERM Program Statistics - Jan 2009 (http://www.nafsa.org/regulatory_information.sec/regulatory_document_library.dlib/employment-based_immigration/selected_perm_program)
http://www.nafsa.org/uploadedFiles/selected_perm_program.pdf?n=2558
Using the report from 12/31/2008 (did not find a newer report)
PERM received: 20,752 (18,863 electronic; 1,889 mail-in)
PERM completed: 4,571 (3,074 certified; 1,328 denied; 169 withdrawn)
PERM pending : 53200
For next 3 quarters we assume they receive 10K applications and approve 5k each quarter we get PERM pending (53200 + 3 * 10k - 3 * 5k) = 68K pending PERM.
For this 68K, i am expecting 30% from India and 10% from China and 20% from EB3-ROW. We get 27K EB2 ROW PERM pending.
If 70% of them are approved and apply for I-485 with 1.2 dependent we get approx 40K I-485 applications in EB2-ROW.
So in case all PERM backlog is removed we will get 40K more EB2-ROW applications. Worst case scenario.
desigirl
01-13 03:17 PM
Plainspeak - From one girl to another - you have a lot of time to kill :) For members who did not get worked up by your post, everyone has had a good laugh! Thanks.
Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.
BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it.
Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.
BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it.
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ZeroComplexity
12-13 07:01 PM
One possible argument someone can make is , if there isn't a per country limit on H1Bs, why should there be one on GCs?
We can have a lawsuit saying, cap both visa types or cap none.
If ever this law suit come before a judge, we can potentially win by creating a list of all the lost oppurtunities, lost time and money etc, basically building a human story around the restriction.
Other than that, I don't think per country qouta violates the constitution.
Anyways, I am enjoying this thread, very logical arguments in each reply.
We can have a lawsuit saying, cap both visa types or cap none.
If ever this law suit come before a judge, we can potentially win by creating a list of all the lost oppurtunities, lost time and money etc, basically building a human story around the restriction.
Other than that, I don't think per country qouta violates the constitution.
Anyways, I am enjoying this thread, very logical arguments in each reply.
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arunmohan
10-09 04:07 PM
Group:
Please send this letter, It is just 5 minutes job. We should add US Secretary of the Treasury, Mr Henry Paulson.
I think we should send a hard copy too, If you send a hard copy of the letter, you receive the response for sure.
They should give us a condtional GC that if you buy a house in a year then your conditional GC would be a permanent otherwise it will be rejected after one year.
Please send this letter, It is just 5 minutes job. We should add US Secretary of the Treasury, Mr Henry Paulson.
I think we should send a hard copy too, If you send a hard copy of the letter, you receive the response for sure.
They should give us a condtional GC that if you buy a house in a year then your conditional GC would be a permanent otherwise it will be rejected after one year.
mirage
04-20 04:39 PM
This one is quite interesting...........
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NAVSARI/RAJULA: Taking the 'weak' prime minister charge further, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi said Manmohan Singh was the prime ministerial
candidate only of the Gandhis and not of the entire UPA.
"Only the mother (Sonia Gandhi), son (Rahul) and daughter (Priyanka) keep saying that Singh is PM candidate. He is the candidate of Sonia Gandhi's family," he said.
"Except for Sonia Gandhi's family, nobody is rooting for Singh. Even senior Congress leaders like Arjun Singh and Kamal Nath are not acknowledging him for the top job," he said addressing election rallies in Gujarat.
Modi appealed to the people to choose between 'dynastic and opportunistic rule' and a nationalist government.
Modi also said preferably the prime minister should be an elected one and not nominated.
"Elected PM reflects the strength of democracy while a nominated one depicts strength of dynastic rule. He should have the people's support not just one family's," Modi added.
He said NCP chief Sharad Pawar "wants to become a Prime Minister. On more than one occasion, his RJD counterpart and Railway Minister too has expressed a similar desire."
"Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh and BSP chief Mayawati too cannot be ruled out for the job," Modi said.
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NAVSARI/RAJULA: Taking the 'weak' prime minister charge further, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi said Manmohan Singh was the prime ministerial
candidate only of the Gandhis and not of the entire UPA.
"Only the mother (Sonia Gandhi), son (Rahul) and daughter (Priyanka) keep saying that Singh is PM candidate. He is the candidate of Sonia Gandhi's family," he said.
"Except for Sonia Gandhi's family, nobody is rooting for Singh. Even senior Congress leaders like Arjun Singh and Kamal Nath are not acknowledging him for the top job," he said addressing election rallies in Gujarat.
Modi appealed to the people to choose between 'dynastic and opportunistic rule' and a nationalist government.
Modi also said preferably the prime minister should be an elected one and not nominated.
"Elected PM reflects the strength of democracy while a nominated one depicts strength of dynastic rule. He should have the people's support not just one family's," Modi added.
He said NCP chief Sharad Pawar "wants to become a Prime Minister. On more than one occasion, his RJD counterpart and Railway Minister too has expressed a similar desire."
"Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh and BSP chief Mayawati too cannot be ruled out for the job," Modi said.
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satishku_2000
06-27 06:03 PM
According to the AILA, approximately 40,000 visas remain in all employment-based categories, other than EW, for FY2007, according to its sources, and that the USCIS has far more than 40,000 adjustment applications in the backlog queue that are ready for approval, not to mention the additional numbers which will be consumed in concular immigrant visa processing. It is thus possible that the cap may reach within a short period in July, even though no one can predict it until after July 2, 2007. The USCIS at this time does not have any policy announced with reference to July 2007 I-485 filings which are filed after certain date in July when the total number is exhausted. However, considering the fact that the USCIS currently rejects the "Other Worker" category I-485 applications even though June 2007 Visa Bulletin show current for certain applicants because the "other worker" category quota was exhausted on June 5, 2007. This raises a serious concern because as we reported earlier today, the USCIS appears to be picking up the speed of processing of backlog I-485 applications in anticipation of flood of July 485 applications. The USCIS hands may be tied, should the EB visa numbers for FY 2007 is exhausted before the end of July.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
I dont think I will be able to file by July 2nd anyway . I sent my forms last week and I have no idea or update from lawyers office . This could be fun .. Hope I did not waste close to $1000 in this madness to file my 485.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
I dont think I will be able to file by July 2nd anyway . I sent my forms last week and I have no idea or update from lawyers office . This could be fun .. Hope I did not waste close to $1000 in this madness to file my 485.
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Marphad
04-01 12:33 PM
9-1-1, Fire Department, come soon!!!!!!!!!!!
OK. Enough of joke.
SK2006. It looks like you have a little misunderstanding. Let me put some facts in front of you:
1. I created the thread under "Interesting Topic" which is specially created for this purpose: "to discuss non-immigration topics".
2. You can not have more than 1-2 action items on IV per month. They are simply not doable. Thats the reason moderators converted IV format and tried to make it like a communication hub for immigrant community. People can discuss and share anything as community over here. You may see job related public group to discussing movies threads. There is nothing wrong in that. It keeps people visiting the forum and when the real action item comes, we don't need to keep sending private messages to people. They are just here.
- Point 2 explains why Pappu also posted on this thread.
3. Your dedication is appreciated regarding immigration issues. Please don't go away. I see you as a valuable asset in group.
OK. Enough of joke.
SK2006. It looks like you have a little misunderstanding. Let me put some facts in front of you:
1. I created the thread under "Interesting Topic" which is specially created for this purpose: "to discuss non-immigration topics".
2. You can not have more than 1-2 action items on IV per month. They are simply not doable. Thats the reason moderators converted IV format and tried to make it like a communication hub for immigrant community. People can discuss and share anything as community over here. You may see job related public group to discussing movies threads. There is nothing wrong in that. It keeps people visiting the forum and when the real action item comes, we don't need to keep sending private messages to people. They are just here.
- Point 2 explains why Pappu also posted on this thread.
3. Your dedication is appreciated regarding immigration issues. Please don't go away. I see you as a valuable asset in group.
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TeddyKoochu
09-15 07:52 AM
Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
Friends looks like that there is a consensus that folks with 2005 will get their GC soon, all of you have stated that there are very few labors for this year. How do we divide the labors for 2006, if we give 50% of them to EB2 I then I believe that by Sep 2010 year 2006 should get cleaned out. Another point is how the spillover is allocated quarterly, annually or randomly (How do we explain EB2I going back to 01 Jan 2000 and then recovering back). Definitely a quarterly spillover will make predictions & life easier! Something to factor is EB2-C, EB2-I date has almost caught up, traditionally it stays 1 yr behind (EB2-I lags EB2-C) in the early part of the year, this could be huge factor if both catch up.
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
Friends looks like that there is a consensus that folks with 2005 will get their GC soon, all of you have stated that there are very few labors for this year. How do we divide the labors for 2006, if we give 50% of them to EB2 I then I believe that by Sep 2010 year 2006 should get cleaned out. Another point is how the spillover is allocated quarterly, annually or randomly (How do we explain EB2I going back to 01 Jan 2000 and then recovering back). Definitely a quarterly spillover will make predictions & life easier! Something to factor is EB2-C, EB2-I date has almost caught up, traditionally it stays 1 yr behind (EB2-I lags EB2-C) in the early part of the year, this could be huge factor if both catch up.
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carpediem
05-28 11:45 PM
Can someone tell me if this is right?
- Total number of EB-2 visas = 40,000
- 7% of 40,000 are allocated for India = 2,800
- Number of EB-2 I I-485 apps pending = 30,000
So if there is no spillover from other categories it will take north of 10 years for all the people who applied for I-485 in the July 2007 fiasco to get Green Cards. The only caveat to this would be attrition or legislation.
- Total number of EB-2 visas = 40,000
- 7% of 40,000 are allocated for India = 2,800
- Number of EB-2 I I-485 apps pending = 30,000
So if there is no spillover from other categories it will take north of 10 years for all the people who applied for I-485 in the July 2007 fiasco to get Green Cards. The only caveat to this would be attrition or legislation.
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nrk
01-14 01:57 PM
I don't see any problem for EAD and AC21 people
Will this rule effect on EAD and AC21 also?
Will this rule effect on EAD and AC21 also?
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Ramba
07-17 11:42 AM
The was no change in law and still there was a change in interpretation based on the current state of EB2, so this interpretation will change once some other category needs spill overs. The is no law which states spill over should be horizonal or vertical or diagonal :) It merely says that DOS can decide how the spill overs should flow.
DOS (or any government agency for that matter) cannot interpert the law differently for each year. One law and one interpretation. It can't follow the different set of rules when implementing the law each year. Initally, INA was designed to follow vertical spill over (diversity was important than preference catagory). But, AC21 law ameneded the INA to force the DOS to implement horizontal spill over (preference catagory is important than diversity). However, DOS was still follwing verical spill over evenafter the AC21 act till 2006. If DOS followd the law correctly, EB2-I and Ch would have never been retrogressed since 2005. Lucky for DOS, no one has challanged the DOS. Now they realized the mistake and follow the law correctly. They follw this till if congress changes the law.
DOS (or any government agency for that matter) cannot interpert the law differently for each year. One law and one interpretation. It can't follow the different set of rules when implementing the law each year. Initally, INA was designed to follow vertical spill over (diversity was important than preference catagory). But, AC21 law ameneded the INA to force the DOS to implement horizontal spill over (preference catagory is important than diversity). However, DOS was still follwing verical spill over evenafter the AC21 act till 2006. If DOS followd the law correctly, EB2-I and Ch would have never been retrogressed since 2005. Lucky for DOS, no one has challanged the DOS. Now they realized the mistake and follow the law correctly. They follw this till if congress changes the law.
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chi_shark
10-28 03:10 PM
when i do that, it just says I have a splendid aura or some shit like that.
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Dalai Lama
01-24 01:14 PM
He must had already saved lot of money in India, he will live like a king after 20 months.
He should get 20 years of prison.
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mbawa2574
05-28 11:10 PM
When some of us raised the issue of project managers from Indian IT companies applying under EB1 and using up those visas which would trickle over to EB2 and EB3, we were scoffed at. Some even questioned as to why these people cannot apply under "Multi-national executive" category, as they are "Multi-national" managers.
These guys misrepresent the number of people reporting to them (same managers in the same portfolio uses the same number of people to show in the application as reporting to them. This is true "reuse"), also "reuse" the portfolio value (how can 3-4 managers from the same client account be responsible for x million dollar business) and crooked company attorneys make up a stellar resume and case to file for them. The attorney pay comes from the employee's pocket.
Otherwise how would you explain the sudden rise in EB1 filings and a quota which never used to be over in previous years suddenly has cut-off dates.
If we keep quiet, these same clowns will use up all the visas and smirk at us for filing in the "lower" categories. What a backdoor to a green card! :mad:
This fraud has to stop. There is nothing called as MNC manager. These are basically sweat shop slave supervisors. None of these clowns make a 6 figure salary and can match the skills of people in EB2 & EB3 category.
These guys misrepresent the number of people reporting to them (same managers in the same portfolio uses the same number of people to show in the application as reporting to them. This is true "reuse"), also "reuse" the portfolio value (how can 3-4 managers from the same client account be responsible for x million dollar business) and crooked company attorneys make up a stellar resume and case to file for them. The attorney pay comes from the employee's pocket.
Otherwise how would you explain the sudden rise in EB1 filings and a quota which never used to be over in previous years suddenly has cut-off dates.
If we keep quiet, these same clowns will use up all the visas and smirk at us for filing in the "lower" categories. What a backdoor to a green card! :mad:
This fraud has to stop. There is nothing called as MNC manager. These are basically sweat shop slave supervisors. None of these clowns make a 6 figure salary and can match the skills of people in EB2 & EB3 category.
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alisa
06-27 10:00 PM
Yes I agree.. But if they don't move date foward then they can't approve those backlog applications.And they don't want to loose 40,000 visas . Now when they made all date current, they can approve all those pending application which are complete and just waiting for date to become current. Now we don't know real number and don't know how long it will take USCIS to do all approvals. But if they approve 40,000 in 2 weeks, I won't be surprised if they make it 'U' like other workers.
But then question still remains why they made all current. They could have just moved it by year or so.. And I am sure they know how many application they can expect in July.. I already saw some where that we have around more then 80,000 approved perm.. All they going to apply.. And what about all whose labor just got approved fro Backlog centers?
Its making everybody confused.. But its not in our hand and we can't do anything. Best thing is to file asap and just hope for best and we are always ready for worst..
Just think if they make date 'U' in middle of july, how many member going to loose money. Each of us spent so much money this month and if nothing happens that we loose all of it.
Are you sure about 80000 PERM?
I recall seeing somewhere that for the entire 2006, there were about 6000 PERMs.
But then question still remains why they made all current. They could have just moved it by year or so.. And I am sure they know how many application they can expect in July.. I already saw some where that we have around more then 80,000 approved perm.. All they going to apply.. And what about all whose labor just got approved fro Backlog centers?
Its making everybody confused.. But its not in our hand and we can't do anything. Best thing is to file asap and just hope for best and we are always ready for worst..
Just think if they make date 'U' in middle of july, how many member going to loose money. Each of us spent so much money this month and if nothing happens that we loose all of it.
Are you sure about 80000 PERM?
I recall seeing somewhere that for the entire 2006, there were about 6000 PERMs.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 04:03 PM
If this was about you being having admin previledges,you wud have been taken to trial for misusing this board.....AH...
If all IMV memebers ever come to form a political party, people like you should be avoided. For you it's all love for YSR..where as for others it's not about YSR or CBN. It is about there values and what they stand for against (corruption, blood politics, land grabbing and so forth..)
If all IMV memebers ever come to form a political party, people like you should be avoided. For you it's all love for YSR..where as for others it's not about YSR or CBN. It is about there values and what they stand for against (corruption, blood politics, land grabbing and so forth..)
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voldemar
03-26 05:56 PM
Has it passed? I cant wait for it to happen. Once it does, I will feel more confident leaving my employer knowing....No, waiting for OMB clearance.
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vikki76
02-19 12:03 AM
I like it too Alisa.Very well said.
H1-B, High Skill Immigration needs to be separated and we should know an answer from US govt/public official ,what matters most.
If I don't get a GC within next 2 years, I will be forced to start my new hi-tech venture from Bangalore.
H1-B, High Skill Immigration needs to be separated and we should know an answer from US govt/public official ,what matters most.
If I don't get a GC within next 2 years, I will be forced to start my new hi-tech venture from Bangalore.
unitednations
02-18 08:20 PM
I don�t get the point? If somebody comes here on visitor visa and files for 485 or people here illegally flip over to EB blah blah blah then you fix the loophole, you just don�t kill the 485 measure. If you have a brain tumor then you surgically remove the tumor. You just don�t cut of the head. Your solution to oppose 485 seems similar to that. What about the people who have been waiting for for a couple of years to get the labor and I140 cleared and cannot apply for 485 now, If you get laid off without 485 you don�t get AC21 provisions to get a similar job and the whole process is gone down the drain. Why are you worried about somebody who might do something in future when you don�t even want to bother about the people who would benefit from 485 measure right now and right here?
As you yourself suggested people from India (eb2 and eb3) should not worry about looking at Visa bulletins for the next 10 years because at current pace it will take at least 10 years. There is no company in USA in technology field which will keep you in the same position for 10 years. And you are opposing 485 on some loophole, so if I am reading between the lines people from India who have not yet applied for 485 might as well pack there bags and go back to India. Thanks a lot for your delightful insight!!!!!
Don't shoot the messenger.
A couple of studies came to mind recently that don't involve immigration.
In Florida there was a plan over 30 years ago to build an artifical reef by planting 2 million tires. Seemed like a good idea but didn't serve its intended purpose and did the exact opposite. Now, 30 years later the person who pushed to do this is saying it was a mistake. There has been so much damage caused by this and now 30 years later they want to fix it. It wasn't studied enough and it was implemented and became a disaster.
In 1999 at Laguardia airport there was a push to allow smaller airlines some space at the airport; even though the airport couldn't accomodate more airlines/flights. There was strong opposition but they did it anyways. Since then; it takes more then 45 minutes from the time your flight leaves the gate to actually get airborn. The flight time from Laguardia versus into Laguardia has a differential of almost an hour. Now; eight years later they are going to try to fix this. Even though it has been a problem for this long. Wasn't studied or thought of carefully enough.
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Some people are of the opinion that people who have EAD and 485 pending should just shut up because they are enjoying the benefits of it. Well guess what; some of the biggest whiners are the people who have 485 pending but still want to do priority date transfer; are afraid of job loss; are afraid to change jobs, etc.
Becuase of country cap of 7%; someone filing from ROW in eb3 in 2007 will get ahead of you in line; even though you are from india and a priority date in 2001. Currently, the limitation of ROW people is that they haven't designed a system to get h-1b so they will try to go the b-1 to greencard route.
People who want to get citizenship badly. Once they get citizenship; what is one of the first things they do? apply for parents greencard or find a spouse and file their greencard (no waiting). For people here on h-1b or greencard and they want babysitters they get their parents on b-1 and try to extend, etc., but eventually parents have to go back. Now; without priority date being current they also come into the stream by filing a labor 140/485 while they are here.
therefore, you may have a 485 filed but if it is going to take you 10 to 20 years to get the greencard; can you hold onto a same/similar job for that long? Do you think the next step of increasing the quota will come in six months? See my example of Laguardia airport; flight jams since 1999 and now eight years later they are going to decide to attempt to fix the issue. I used to be a frequent traveller and i can't even begin to tell you how inconvenient it is for business travelers to have that type of wait.
To give you an example; I will post an example of someone on visitor visa trying to get greencard (note; this was a personal e-mail that was sent to me;just in case there are doubters).
As you yourself suggested people from India (eb2 and eb3) should not worry about looking at Visa bulletins for the next 10 years because at current pace it will take at least 10 years. There is no company in USA in technology field which will keep you in the same position for 10 years. And you are opposing 485 on some loophole, so if I am reading between the lines people from India who have not yet applied for 485 might as well pack there bags and go back to India. Thanks a lot for your delightful insight!!!!!
Don't shoot the messenger.
A couple of studies came to mind recently that don't involve immigration.
In Florida there was a plan over 30 years ago to build an artifical reef by planting 2 million tires. Seemed like a good idea but didn't serve its intended purpose and did the exact opposite. Now, 30 years later the person who pushed to do this is saying it was a mistake. There has been so much damage caused by this and now 30 years later they want to fix it. It wasn't studied enough and it was implemented and became a disaster.
In 1999 at Laguardia airport there was a push to allow smaller airlines some space at the airport; even though the airport couldn't accomodate more airlines/flights. There was strong opposition but they did it anyways. Since then; it takes more then 45 minutes from the time your flight leaves the gate to actually get airborn. The flight time from Laguardia versus into Laguardia has a differential of almost an hour. Now; eight years later they are going to try to fix this. Even though it has been a problem for this long. Wasn't studied or thought of carefully enough.
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Some people are of the opinion that people who have EAD and 485 pending should just shut up because they are enjoying the benefits of it. Well guess what; some of the biggest whiners are the people who have 485 pending but still want to do priority date transfer; are afraid of job loss; are afraid to change jobs, etc.
Becuase of country cap of 7%; someone filing from ROW in eb3 in 2007 will get ahead of you in line; even though you are from india and a priority date in 2001. Currently, the limitation of ROW people is that they haven't designed a system to get h-1b so they will try to go the b-1 to greencard route.
People who want to get citizenship badly. Once they get citizenship; what is one of the first things they do? apply for parents greencard or find a spouse and file their greencard (no waiting). For people here on h-1b or greencard and they want babysitters they get their parents on b-1 and try to extend, etc., but eventually parents have to go back. Now; without priority date being current they also come into the stream by filing a labor 140/485 while they are here.
therefore, you may have a 485 filed but if it is going to take you 10 to 20 years to get the greencard; can you hold onto a same/similar job for that long? Do you think the next step of increasing the quota will come in six months? See my example of Laguardia airport; flight jams since 1999 and now eight years later they are going to decide to attempt to fix the issue. I used to be a frequent traveller and i can't even begin to tell you how inconvenient it is for business travelers to have that type of wait.
To give you an example; I will post an example of someone on visitor visa trying to get greencard (note; this was a personal e-mail that was sent to me;just in case there are doubters).
TeddyKoochu
09-24 12:32 PM
Spill will be around 30k for Eb2 and that will clear till mid 2006. by Sep 2010. In Sep 2011 you should be able to file for 485.
there is no law that says to move date to accept new applications. If DOS makes date current and people have all data visible now will take USCIS to court for not approving cases. What I have learnt that USCIS is considering publishing rule ( Via Rule making process ) in dec 2009 to halt concurrent filling for I 140 and 485 and give chance to pre register for 485. so in Spiring of 2010 we may be able to pre file 485. which may / may not give benefit of AC 21 . EAD is always admin job so they can give out EAD and AP along with pre filling.
I believe that pre-registering for 485 and being able to file for EAD and AP is itself a great step forward for us. How concrete is this news / information.
there is no law that says to move date to accept new applications. If DOS makes date current and people have all data visible now will take USCIS to court for not approving cases. What I have learnt that USCIS is considering publishing rule ( Via Rule making process ) in dec 2009 to halt concurrent filling for I 140 and 485 and give chance to pre register for 485. so in Spiring of 2010 we may be able to pre file 485. which may / may not give benefit of AC 21 . EAD is always admin job so they can give out EAD and AP along with pre filling.
I believe that pre-registering for 485 and being able to file for EAD and AP is itself a great step forward for us. How concrete is this news / information.
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