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  • logiclife
    12-14 04:58 PM
    I know what I am about to say will trigger a lot of reaction and some resentment, but it has to be said on behalf of those who are not Indian. I think the per country limit is to ensure that people of all nationalities and races have an equal opportunity to obtain a green card and to ensure that no one nationality, group, or even sector (i.e. IT) monopolizes the so few visas that are available. In fact, in the visa lottery, countries become excluded when the number of immigrants from them reach a certain point, so we are lucky they do not do that in the Employment-based system!

    I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:

    Well, I agree with your argument when it comes to diversity lottery visas. Or Family based visas. Because those green cards are not given based on any merit, education or employability of an individual. They are just given away to anyone whose relatives sponsor (family based) or whose country doesnt send enough immigrants here in USA and add those country's citizens adds diversity.

    However, in employment based immigration, 140,000 green cards are given each year because those 140,000 individuals have been sponsored by their employers for a job for which no US citizen is willing qualified and able to do and the employer finds it worth it to go thru hassles of dealing with immigration in order to retain this employee. The employers dont care whether the employee is Indian, Chinese, Brit or South African. The government too, is not giving this green card because someone is Indian or chinese. The employer wants individual to fill a position, the government agrees to it - up to 140,000 a year - and that's where it ends. Therefore, in such benefit, where the ONE AND ONLY REASON for green card is EMPLOYMENT, why should employee A born in India wait for 10 years but employee B born in South Afria wait for 2 years even though the reason for both employee A and employee B for getting the greencard is the same - EMPLOYMENT.

    Are you saying , based on your theory that there should be 7% per country limits in hiring too - that all these corporations, when they hire non-citizens, should keep one country's immigrant workers capped at 7% ? Should Microsoft, Cisco and Oracle fill all jobs and sponsor all greencard at rate of 7 % per country? Are you also going to complain that there are too many Indians in Microsoft and large software corporations and Indians have "monopolized" that profession? Or that Vietnamese and chinese have monopolized the nail-salon and dry-cleaning business? Do you even know what a monopoly is?

    By the way, if the congressional intent was the keep diversity intact even in employment based immigration, then how come there is no per-country ceiling on H1 and L1? On H1 there is no per-country ceiling. So its ok to be disproportionate when you bring people into the country from outside (using H1/L1), but when the same bunch of people apply for green cards, there are different queues for different countries and your wait time depends on where you were born? What kind of nonsense is that?

    All due respect, your argument is baseless and stems from the fact that you love the idea that you are personally benefitting by being in ROW.

    There are plenty of ROW members who have supported the idea of removal of per-country ceilings, who have walked with me to congressional offices asking for parity and who have marched in DC.





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  • factoryman
    02-12 08:55 PM
    From Zhang (http://www.hooyou.com/news/news011307bulletin.html):
    We suspect that the large number of approved cases in BEC have a big impact on the progress of Visa Bulletins. Department of Labor announced on December 11 that the BEC then had 142,418 cases pending, while in September, the pending case number was 176,000. In the past three months, about 33,600 cases have been removed, with a pace of 11,000/month. Then, the number of I-140 & I-485 petitions soared up in the past several months. This fact stalls visa bulletins in department of state. We predict that it is hard to see a big progress in visa bulletin, given the hope that BEC will keep its current pace of processing cases. However, we don�t expect to see a big retrogression of visa bulletin in the next a few months either. Things may change in the second half of 2007.





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  • johnmcdonald98
    03-26 06:47 PM
    And does this mean that this law will definitely change, or is it still possible that vested interests may still keep substition alive?


    I want to know this too... What's the rough estimate, how long will it take before this will be come LAW?

    thanks,





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  • ita
    03-29 11:12 PM
    So am I , I'm sure so are may others on this forum and in India.

    Like I said earlier, in my previous post I just summarized the performance of the last govt.So I'm sure you and others agree Congress won't get us where we want to be.(They didn't in last 5 years and look at my previous post to know where they got us)

    But looking at what is unfolding in India these days our simple and realistic ideas some how seem very far fetched .

    what's going on with Varun Gandhi?Current political scenario in India is kind of reminding emergency times. NSA has been invoked on Varun Gandhi.
    Those politicians are making fun of law.They are using NSA to finish political opponents.
    NSA is meant for nation's enemies not for politician's enemies.
    During emergency time a nation when asked to bend crawled.Hope nation stands up against the similar kind of abuse this time.

    Looks like if we have power in India we can do anything we want. No wonder all the successful film stars are jumping into politics at least in Tollywood.
    It happens only in India.

    I am looking for a visionary who can bring Indians out of poverty, who can give good education, security, health care and good infrastructure. Who can save us from the unstable countries and aggressive China. I am not bothering whether Sankaracharya is in jail or not. How its going to affect a common man who is begging even for basic amenities.



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  • ocpmachine
    09-15 10:43 AM
    This thread is getting very interesting with all the logical calculations and predictions, thanks OP.

    One aspect that was missed in the discussions so far is, during Aug-Sep'08 many folks with 2005/06 PD's got their GC, USCIS picked these cases on random and not sure how many with 2005/06 PD's were approved but it a sizeable number, so this reduces the pending numbers for 2005/06 PD cases as well. I am predicting by Sep'10 we should see all of 2006 PD's cleared up.

    -Cheers





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  • sroyc
    02-14 11:59 AM
    I was watching an episode of the BBC series - Planet Earth where people involved in the conservation and protection of the tiger and other endangered animals were lamenting about how difficult it is for the intellectuals to convince those living close to these animal habitats to help in conservation when they are not able to feed their children and are affected by the tiger killing farm animals.

    This is not exactly similar to the ROW Vs India/China debate. I'm definitely not implying that ROW applicants are not intellectuals. The gist of what I've learnt from that episode was that we cannot push for removal of per country quotas without significantly speeding the processing times for everyone. I have no doubt that the per country quota is unfair to people from countries with large populations simply because we are representing ourselves and not our countries here. (We have been bracketed according to the country of birth in order for USCIS to enforce the current immigration laws.) But at the same time, we'll lose the much required support of ROW members if our approach is to unload a few years of our misery on them.

    With so many people stuck in the backlog, we definitely need a one-time fix to flush the queue before we can lobby for removal of per country quotas.



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  • Amma
    08-15 01:31 PM
    Why so much ruckus for SRK ?. After all he is a actor in India. So many actors are having connections with Dawood Ibrahim. So , nothing wrong for extra questioning.


    But Indian immigration will not do such things to foreign delegates. They treat them like gods.Everything will be bypassed.

    This is the difference between us and US





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  • EkAurAaya
    07-10 11:41 AM
    Dude you just gave me goose bumps! You should forward your heart felt note to media outlets!

    I sincerely wish you the best! God Bless! Good luck with everything...

    At least you wont have to worry about "visa-status" "legal/illegal" "H1b" "H4" Labor Cert" i140" i485" EAD" AP"... F$#% that! :D



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  • alisa
    02-13 08:28 PM
    I don't think there is much I disagree with you. You are right about most things. Especiallly, that it is not an exact science. A lot depends upon how many applicants there are, and how many numbers are increased, and how much the country limits are increased by.

    I also don't think that the country limits will go away totally. They will probably just increase them. But you never know. Espeically, because at some point, they will go to the point system, and then who knows whats going to happen to us.

    Also, its not that I am concerned about what is GOOD JUST FOR ME. (BTW, its not just me, its about a third of IV) I am more worried about what is bad for me.


    Again, there are no guarantees which of the 3 will get passed or accepted. 1 & 2 benefit you more than 3. Will be combined effect of those be more than enough to offset 3 (which I doubt will ever happen since that will require a change in law) is up to anyone's imagination.

    Will you stop supporting IV which is trying to improve ALL legal immigrants prospects of getting a green card because one item on their agenda MAY DO more harm to you than good is your prerogative.

    However, IMHO saying that 3 hurts you and hence you will not support IV is the same as those people who in July were crying because everyone was getting to file 485s and hence would lengthen the GC processing queue. I was in fact not benefiting too much from that but I supported it since having been in the queue for long enough I know how painful it is.

    Like lot of other people on this forum said, try to rise above what is GOOD FOR ME and I will only support IV if it does ONLY that. Someday there might be a law that affects you more than the majority and you will need the all legal immigrants voice to help you out.





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  • amitga
    08-15 04:59 PM
    There is different view to the whole story:

    washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081501595.html)

    Meghnad Desai , an Indian-born economist, a member of Britain's House of Lords and the author of books on Indian cinema and globalization, joked in an interview in New Delhi that the whole thing seemed like a publicity stunt for the new film.

    "The U.S. government was an inadvertent accomplice to 20th Century Fox, which is investing millions in this movie," he said, chuckling, referring to a joint venture between Hollywood and Bollywood to distribute the film. "This was a no-no for India-U.S. relations. Anyhow, there will be no bigger story in India tomorrow. Or maybe for the next few days."

    read more at : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081501595.html



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  • rsdang
    07-16 01:22 AM
    So gurus,
    The progress has been better than this analysis - so where does this leave us?
    Any more thoughts?





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  • Rb_newsletter
    09-14 07:26 PM
    What are the hopes for individuals who missed Jul 07. In my case my labor got approved in Oct 07 and we are still waiting for the date to be current to be able to file for EAD / AP.

    My dear friend, always you have to be hopeful, and cheerful.
    If you want to build your hope look at people who are waiting with PDs in 2009.

    This is a great thread. I don't know how real are the predictions, but this thread gives a great energy. lots of thanks to OP.



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  • unseenguy
    08-18 06:00 PM
    I do not know why this issue is more important for people to discuss. Just because Mr Khan is asked to be a common man? He is not a world famous actor. He is a famous actor to a very very small minority Indian Community in USA. Why should USA give VIP treatment to any star actor from any country of the world? If he was an official ambassador/senior diplomat/Minister, it us understandable. He is simply coming to USA to make money. He will still come again to USA to make money even if he is strip searched again and questioned for more than 66 minutes. Indian government seems to have crossed the line by complaining. This VIP culture that is so prevalent in India needs to change.
    If Indian government really wants to complain, why are they not complaining against the long wait periods for H1B stamping in India. Ordinary Indian citizens going to India for stamping sometimes have to wait several months in the name of security checks. This takes a toll on their life and job in USA. There are several other issues Indian Citizens face in USA. If Indian government has chosen to interfere with the internal matter (in this case national security) of USA, why is it keeping quiet on other matter of importance to its citizens? Indian government needs to stick to its policies and not bend its rules for VIPs.

    As someone said, if his intention was to publicize his new movie and make more money from his share of profit, he may have succeeded.

    I agree with some points here and I dont with others:

    First of all, whether a person was traveling in official capacity or not was he profiled? Because of his name , skin or status? Whatever it is.

    Second, if we give same treatment to brad pitt or tom cruise, would it be acceptable to americans and you too. Would it be a process or would you then dismiss it as nonsense and inefficiency of Indian admin? How you see things in perspective is also important.

    Thirdly, Shahrukh, though not an official and is here making money, is a high profile person. His case and this incident , embodies the unreasonable and insensitive treatment many many commoners get by hands of inefficient US administration.

    You pointed out right, hundreds and thousands are facing security delays, stamping issues, issues at POE etc. Thats what this incident highlights.

    If a high profile person from India, Shahrukh, faces so many problems, then people can imagine the troubles of the commoners.

    I would see this as a "representative" case for many Indians and highlighting it would give some negative publicity to CBP and restore some "common sense" in general.





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  • thepaew
    12-13 04:49 PM
    Last I checked, the US was a sovereign country and is not under the jurisdiction of any international court. It is not even a member of the ICJ and this issue is not covered under WTO. Good Luck. :-)

    Yes, we should explore this more

    1) Whether we can really challenge this into US SC within US Constitutional
    framework?

    2) Whether we can really challenge this into International Courts?



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  • okuzmin
    09-30 04:29 AM
    HI can some body answer if we can apply for canadian PR with H1 B valid for less than 1 year.

    For canadian citizenship you have to be in canada for 2 yr(physicaly) and after 3 yr after stamping

    You can apply for Canadian PR while staying in the USA if you can demonstrate that you have entered the USA legally and stayed in the country legally for at least one year. That's what Canadian law says. I'm too lazy to look for the actual law -- just google it. ;)

    You can apply for the Canadian citizenship after staying in Canada for three years out of four. Of these three years, you must be a PR for at least two years.

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/becoming-howto.html





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  • software7
    05-31 01:52 PM
    05/29/2009: TSC is Reportedly in Line with NSC in Processing Time Reduction and Backlog Reduction

    They have completed adjudication of almost all of the I-140 petitions which were filed during the FY 2007 Visa Bulletin fiasco (July and August 2007). As for the EB-485 applications, they have preadjudicated 85,000 cases which await the visa number availability beginning from the next fiscal year.

    since the EB-485 cases involving fairly early priority dates have been preadjudicated, once the visa numbers progress forward beginning from the new fiscal year, October 2009, a large number of EB-485 waiters are likely to receive approvals of their long-awaited I-485 applications. Hats off to NSC and TSC!!

    Lately, I-485 waiters have been receiving RFEs or interview scheduling in a fairly large number. From these reports, we can draw a speculation that these cases have fairly early priority dates and are now undergoing such preadjudications in anticipation for the upcoming visa number availability in early part of FY 2010. They may receive approvals of their cases fairly early in the new fiscal year. With such a good news, please enjoy the SUMMER! .

    This excerpt isfomsite www.immigration-law.com with Title 05/29/2009: TSC is Reportedly in Line with NSC in Processing Time Reduction and Backlog Reduction



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  • gimmeacard
    07-30 05:41 PM
    Travind I am not close to the family anymore I made the dude so uncomfortable he stopped calling me. Here are some avoidance techniques, but you need to be ballsy to pull them of and never exceed the limits of decency and you must have a sense of timing and humor to do these. I have used these techniques myself for avoidance
    1) Stare at his wife or sister and constantly compliment their looks, cooking, chai etc
    2) Make lots of sticky notes with their quotes in the meetings and stick it on their walls
    3)Break your pencil or pen at the meeting and loudly say cuss words like "shit that is good"
    4) Itch nervously when they approach you in any location they will leave you thinking you have some skin disease.
    5) Cough without closing your mouth directly in front of their face
    6) Wear ghetto clothes when you go to the usual locations they avoid you like the plague (sorry guys who wear kurta with jeans and leather chappals you are the most obvious target)
    7) Borrow cd's, dvd's etc and never return them or their calls they are bound to be nice since even in the worst case they are still trying to sell to you.

    There are more things to do but i'm guessing some other people will post their experiences , just one word of caution do not extend your torture because these people are human beings who have been proselytized by their diamonds etc that they dont realize and don't worry they will not learn from you.


    1) Stare at his wife or sister and constantly compliment their looks, cooking, chai etc

    I wont do that to my enimies, i wont even recommend anyone doing that no matter what- there are other ways but is this the best u could come with?

    dont foget ur culture and decency/manners.





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  • srkamath
    07-23 03:10 PM
    Legal, Thanks again. Also that is where exactly is the contradiction in analysis.

    In my understanding, they must apply any spill over to EB3 too. EB3 gets 28.6% of total quota (Including spill overs). If some one is sure that it is not the case, please correct me.

    If spill over was already applied and if EB3 will not open up again, then EB3 already got its share of spill over and EB2 also used up some part of that spill over, so only part of that spill over is left for the 2 months.

    If spill over is not applied yet, then EB3 should get 28.6% of what ever is spilled over to total EB quota. Hence EB3 should open up again.

    Please note that I am not making this complex. I am only pointing at complexities.

    The 28.6% does not apply to spillovers - it is only for fresh allocations. Spill over goes sideways first until all in an EB category are filled, then spills over to the next EB category where again it spills sideways first.





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  • Rb_newsletter
    08-15 03:30 PM
    Why are you guys talking about human trafficking? In this case SRK was not detained for that. He was detained only for his name match.

    This is an atrocity of one particular officer. TOI article posted by OP says "There were other immigration officers who even vouched for me but this particular officer did not listen to anyone". You have to notice the gap here. SRK was detained for identity check because of his last name. When other officers vouch why he was still detained.

    Thing we should be worried about is, if SRK - who has MPs and other big shots behind him to prove him - needs 2 hours to prove his identity, think about commoners like us. We may get lost without help.





    Googler
    02-15 12:11 AM
    As I said in the Mocanu thread:

    Btw, apparently the law firm that argued the case for Mocanu and the others was: Orlow, Kaplan and Hohenstein (http://www.orlow.com/index.htm).

    Wonder whether it is worth initiating a conversation about the validity of the legal argument for recapture (Mocanu + Aytes memo + Galvez-Howerton) with them -- they certainly know enough about the details of the name check process; they might need some more details about the 2003-2004 lost EB greencards, but I'd say they are pretty well prepped for all the other details.

    It would be beyond good for the case if we had some EB applicants who filed their 485s in 2003-2004 and are still waiting.





    visves
    06-27 09:13 AM
    I think the point some of the attorneys are trying to make is that there were quite a number of extra visa numbers available (close to 40,000) apart from the normal visa numbers available for Jun, July, Aug, Sep. Unless the number of approvals come close to the total visa numbers available, there is no reason for CIS to arbitrarily move the date backwards. You were right in saying that there were a number of approvals in June, but I highly doubt they even came close to the extra numbers available. All the attorneys are trying to say is to not consider the number of applicants from the equation of trying to predict priority dates.



    USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the number of such approvals.

    These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.



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